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mcu_cosmic2019-04-26 07:23 pm
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BIG PLUSES: The final battle. The space scenes are gorgeous. Nebula! Gamora!! Rocket as an Avenger! Frigga! The moment between Tony and Dr Strange, Tony's sacrifice, RDJ's performance in general, Karen Gillan and CHems were also excellent. CAP AND MJOLNIR. AVENGERS ASSEMBLE. Wanda's evil little smile as she prepares to end Thanos. Thanos sacrificing his ground troops to ward her off. CAROL'S ENTRANCE. Carol going through Thanos's death ship like a hot girl knife through purple dick tyrant butter. The A-Force moment. (NAT SHOULD BE THERE.)
BIG MINUSES: Nat's death. Wayyy too much Scott Lang. WTF was up with Dr Hulk. Past Nebula getting killed, WTF. Tony DYING. Steve and Thor ditching their duty-honour selves and going off on permanent vacay. How they treated Thor in general. ....It's hard for me to overemphasize how totally slammed I felt by Nat's death and how they handled it. If Hawkeye had died instead I probably would have been over the moon about the goddamned movie. All the women's parts, in proportion, were very small. Okoye's on the poster and she has maybe three scenes and about five lines. The focus was very much on the guys: Tony, Thor, Cap, also Scott and Clint, and then Nat and Nebula and Gamora, and then other women basically got cameos.
I am kinda surprised at how positive the reviews are, given that mainstream critics trashed earlier better-made movies, and a lot of it is still really depressing or downright tragic. They seem to have decided it's a great big feelgood wind-up bon voyage spectacle, and while that is what it is on the surface, there's some really weird disquieting stuff going on about heroism and happiness and who gets to enjoy what.
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BEST DESCRIPTION EVER.
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you are 100% correct, and it's so weird.
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- - Thor. just. no. they ruined my favorite character to a point where I sort of want to quit the entire franchise. like. no.
- - did Nat have to die?
- - now that kore pointed it out, the female characters had way less screen time and badassery than the dudes.
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- nebula asskissing thanos, which totally contradicts her gotg1 characterization
- thor's depression and ptsd being treated like a joke
- korg having more lines than loki
- thor putting the muzzle on loki just to shut him up
- tony dying. when we said let him rest, THIS IS NOT WHAT WE MEANT. he should have gotten a long and happy life, not for all his struggle to be rewarded with death. 5 years is bullshit
- 5 year time skip
- convenient plot devices that are pivotal to the outcome: aka nebula's network and the rat that freed scott
- too many callbacks
- shit pacing and editing. the first half of the movie should have been at least 20 min longer to allow certain scenes some breathing room
- multiverse mcu - way to get rid of one of the only things the MCU had going over the convoluted comics
- blatant plot railroading via stephen and 'no more resurrections'
- validating thanos' fucking philosophy
- conflict that was just blatantly emotionally manipulative rather than good drama
- joe russo
- Thor not even mentioning Loki
- why did they even appear in the dungeons? that visual gag was clearly sooooo very important
- Thor fucking off with the guardians
- Steve just fucking off into the past with Peggy, ignoring canon events so as to not derail the timeline
- prof. Hulk
- just plopping the snapped people back where they were dusted. hello bodies from the sky and starvation cause of the sudden influx of people. just handwaving away all the death and extinction that had to have happened from the snap in the first place. 'oh, half the people are gone and we're sad about it, but we're doing pretty well regardless'. much like i feel like they're just going to handwave away the consequences of all those people coming back.
- natasha dying. or rather, staying dead.
- Loki, Heimdall and the other Asgardians staying dead
- they keep breaking their own time travel rules and not making them very clear in the first place
- while in theory I like the idea of the all lady team up, it feels like pandering of the 'too little too late' type, much like the russo cameo
- morgan is cute and all, but I'd let her be born again in a heartbeat if it'd meant they'd erased the time skip and brought back EVERYONE killed in IW. like, not just the asgardians. Thanos laid waste to Xandar and Knowwhere as well
- Thanos fight 2.0 was unnecessary and stupid, in there just for one more fight
- I'd get rid of that whole plotline, just make the time travel bit more fraught and risky (maybe they could *not* kill thanos at the beginning and have him try to thwart their efforts) and then getting everyone back is reward enough without one final epic battle with the grape
It had some scenes I liked, but they were massively overshadowed by everything I hated. I am just really mad at this movie and whoever greenlit it. It's like they took everything I wanted to see and shat on it, ignored it and actively put in everything I didn't want to see. I could tell what the filmmakers wanted me to feel at any given moment, but mostly I just felt really bitter and spiteful at them trying to make me feel anything for this crapsack.
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OMG, I forgot about her network thing and how it was supposed to work being the same in the present and past? what? although I was impressed by how Karen Gillan conveyed Nebula Undercover in the gang. with just her body language and expressions.
My husband loathed the rat, LOL. (Who was paying for the storage of the van? And WHERE WAS LUIS)
the first half of the movie should have been at least 20 min longer to allow certain scenes some breathing room
Yeah, I felt the pacing was really off -- the first half was kind of too slow, the heist was good and then the battle felt sped up and rushed. But the first half was also where most of the characterization was....I just don't think it was edited that well. For me it felt like certain scenes didn't get enough room to breathe, if they'd gone on just one or two minutes more the emotional impact would have been a lot bigger. But obviously they were working every second with so much plot and inside references and cameos &c &c.
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I don't have a problem with Karen Gillan's performance, just the characterization and stupid plot contrivance of her brain network connecting to itself. (why a network at all for her brain??? especially when they show that thanos needs a physical connection to see what she does. why doesn't thanos just wifi if he wants to? i mean, i know that the real reason is so thanos can butt in on the plot for the final showdown, but really)
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Yeah, it looked terrible, and then the "How do you do fellow kids" scene was awful and WENT ON FOREVER. Hulk and Banner were both interesting to watch, even when Ruffalo was being mostly used as comic relief in T:R and IW. But Prof Hulk was just bland and....dull. They needed him to science some and do time travel exposition and then snap his fingers because "gamma radiation" (....what?), and he was the one person who expressed real rage at Nat's death. (I remember early foilers that he would be still unable to Hulk out in this movie, and Nat's death would send him over the edge.) But for me he really just didn't gel as a character.
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I generally liked watching it - it was a well paced movie with characters I found emotionally compelling, but I don't know if I like the consequences of it on the greater MCU? If that makes sense.
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The TL;DR version is that I am overall thrilled. I got a lot of things I wanted but did not expect, especially:
-- Just... everything with Nebula, and Nebula + Gamora
-- So much Rocket!
-- SAM!CAP SAM!CAP SAM!CAP OH MY GOD
-- Liking Steve again for the first time in a long time
-- I was surprised to find myself fine with Tony's death
-- Every fucking moment Tony and Peter were on screen together, are you kidding me, I lost my damn mind. I understand that this was a hard movie for P/T shippers for whom the death was a deal-breaker, but for the rest of us, it's hard to imagine how we (realistically) could have been better served, that was insane.
That said, fuck everything about treating Thor's weight gain and depression as a joke. Just. No. I hated that. It was the one really big flaw for me.
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Can't even try to point out what I liked or didn't like cuz I'm super *___________* about this film, lol.
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I guess now in the MCU we may not only get the cosmic side but multiverses/time wars? Or at least more time travel. The writers did say they had Strange talking to the Living Tribunal in an early draft of IW, which is interesting....in fact Feige is hot for the Eternals and Wiki says a movie will start shooting in August 2019 in London, right after Black Widow (June 2019).
One thing that turned out really fun in the comics were the Infinity Warps, where reality got twisted so you kind of got multiverse collisions like Thor + Tony and Steve + Strange. Those could be played by new actors onscreen....